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Just a little thing I wanted to discuss, if you don't like rants, then don't read this journal.
Please no harsh comments, I am simply expressing my opinion. |D
So without further adieu

So being on dA, you see a lot of 'art theft' around right? Most of the time you come across things such as stolen designs, traced/ recoloured artwork, copied artwork, etc. Recently however, I've noticed some people going a little over the top with this whole theft thing, so I decided I'd write this to explain what stealing is and what stealing isn't in to me. Now, to put it bluntly,

  • You CANNOT copyright a pose
  • you CANNOT copyright a style
  • Referencing ≠ copying or stealing
  • The only thing that can be be stolen or copied is the original piece itself.
Now, let me explain.

If someone draws something in the same pose as something in someone else's picture, it is NOT stealing unless the picture as a whole has been copied. It does matter how much it resembles the pose in your picture, and even if they referenced from your work, if it isn't a direct copy of the original piece it is not stealing. Poses are something people are free to use no matter what, imagine if you could copyright poses, like, what if you came up with the cool idea for a rad pose but someone else had already done it before? Seeing other people draw things in other types of poses helps us improve too! Maybe you have be trying to draw a certain pose for  a long time but couldn't get it right, but then bam! You see another artist draw that exact pose and now, from referencing their art, you might be able to do it better. This is not stealing, it is part of the learning and it helps us improve!

Now style, I have a feeling that this one might be the one thing that most people reading won't agree with, but whatever, I'm going to explain my views on this too. First of all, no, I do not believe you can copyright a style, and it is completely okay to have a style similar to someone else, even if you got inspiration from them and 'copied their style'. This follows the same rules as the pose thing, and when you think about it, it fits in the same boat. If you could copyright a style, imagine how limited we'd be. Style is developed from seeing other peoples styles. If you see someone draw fur or lips or anything in a cool way and you want to do it that way yourself? give it a go! You can't own the way someone draws fur or lips or anything like that, I'd be stupid, doing this is a sure fire way to limit your potential as an artist. I can tell you now, I have personally 'taken' things from other styles and incorporated them into my own style, but is my style still unique? Course it is, all styles are. There is nothing truly original either when it comes to style, its basically a mash up of a lot of different styles half the time, don't limit yourself and try to be 'original' by trying to avoid what other people do in their styles, that will limit you a lot, and you might not end up liking how you draw either. Grabbing inspiration from other styles is also a great way of improving and developing your own style!

Now for referencing. Both of the topics just covered are basically referencing, there are many ways to reference but you have to remember with this, reference too hard and it can become copying, referencing is referring to certain parts of a piece, style, or anything really and using them to help aid you in making your own artwork. You can use referencing to learn anatomy, develop style, do poses, a lot of things really, don't feel like referencing is bad! It will help you develop as an artist and is super helpful. It can be really hard to draw something when you don't have other visuals to help you. Maybe someone pained a rock in a certain way and you liked how they did it and you wanted to add that into your picture, maybe you liked how they did the sunset, whatever, it's completely okay to try and draw certain things like someone else if you think it'd look good in your own picture, go for it!

So after going through all of that, you might be thinking, well what is art theft then?
Okay, so the one thing that CAN be copyrighted is an original piece of art (or well anything really). Let's just say I drew a picture, this picture is a picture of a dog running through a field of flowers. Stealing is when someone copies this piece to almost the exact details/ only changes a few minor things. If they just copy the pose, that's okay, if it's the style, that's okay. But if they copy the style, pose, and the exact composition, colours, etc., then yes, that is stealing. Re-posting art and tracing an ENTIRE picture is also stealing.

I hope that clears things up a little, I feel likely to get people who disagree with me but eh, this is my take on things. I find that a lot of people here on dA get harassed for just referencing, and I really feel this is wrong. While there are a lot of art thieves, there are also people who get harassed for doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Aka out~
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JesterFunny Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
Luckily, this is something that I can favourite.
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Owl-Flight Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree with this for the most part, and I even agree with the thing about style to a degree. It doesn't particularly bother me when two people have similar styled, or even when one person takes a few things from another person's style and incorporates it into their own. What bothers me is when there is no credit where credit is due. I've actually had people talk down on certain aspects of my art and turn around and do the exact same thing in theirs (something they hadn't done before they saw me do it). For the most part my problem is when an artist strives to be more and more like another artist instead of taking some things and then branching off in their own direction, because then they're not their own artist, they're just a cheep knock off wannabe. And if thats what you want to do thats fine by me, but that doesn't mean I have to consider you to be your own artist, you're just a copycat.(if that sounds like it's directed at you it's not .-.)
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ahh yes, why didn't I mention that silly me. Giving credit when it is is due is very important, especially when referencing and stuff. , I do however disagree with you on the other part you mentioned about an artist not being their own artist when they are trying t be like something else.

The people who work for Disney probably have to learn how to imitate the Disney style, are they wannabes or cheap knock offs? It doesn't matter if you strive to have a style that is exactly same to another artist, it doesn't diminish your worth at all in my opinion, because in the end, the two artists will both have different ideas and maybe even diverge in the future, who knows? I find artists who just go in their 'own direction' get too wound up about their style looking like others, because that's really silly, you need to develop a style because you like it, not so its different from everyone else's. Sorry, I just find it really mean and kind of unfair that if an artist strives to achieve a style that someone else has, they are written off as a wannabe or a copycat, because that's not the case, they are just drawing how they want to draw, and there is nothing wrong with that at all.
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Owl-Flight Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
animation is different, it's a team of people working on the same project, it's all the same piece. They have their own art outside of the animation. And I'm not saying people cant copy another person's style, and I'm not saying what they create isn't "art" all I'm saying is the style isn't originally theirs and they have no... credit(?) for creating it. Yes they learned to draw in that style and it probably took some time to "perfect" drawing in that style. That doesn't mean they came up with it themselves though. They can have all the fun they want drawing in that style, but I dont feel like they get any credit whatsoever in creating it. The ideas for the different pictures I give them credit for, composition, character design, concept, all that jazz, but the style isn't theirs and there is no way to make it theirs without changing it up. So no mater how good the idea is it's "drawn in this other artist's style" and isn't entirely their own. And I'm not talking "this looks somewhat similar to so and so's style" I'm talking "this is the EXACT same style"

so basically, I'm not saying they can't do it, I'm just saying they're giving away a huge chunk of their originality, and "stealing" some from the other artist, because when you create a style that is your own, when someone else starts to use it there is someone else out there doing the same thing as you, it makes it less yours. Which I personally can find offensive if it's done without significant credit like "this person is my IDOL" credit
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The thing is, a style isn't something you own, you can pour all of your effort and time into making it perfect, but the style is just the way you do something, that's one of the points I tried to make in this journal. Style can be signature to an artist, but it isn't something they own, do you know how little variety people would have if you could claim rights to a style? If I put the same amount of effort into trying to 'perfect' this style that someone else has, why do I deserve less credit? Just because I didn't 'create' it? If I do something in Picasso's style for example, that doesn't mean I'm not original, that doesn't mean I'm stealing, I'm just doing something in a style that is signature to another artist. It's not super original, but what is these days? Nothing really, because almost EVERY SINGLE PIECE of art that someone creates falls into a style category. And what happens if two artists have almost the exact same style and they have never even seen each-others art before, are they less original? Lets just say things are exactly the same except they do know each other this time, why does the condition of what's happening determine how original they are?

Also I've seen some AMAZING TLK artists who have the EXACT same style as in the movie, but guess what? Some of them are super original and super amazing, and in my opinion, their style doesn't diminish their originality, actually, I don't see how having any kind of style, same to someone else's or not diminishes originality.
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Owl-Flight Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
(just making it clear I'm not arguing with you, I' just sharing my views which happen to be different)

If you use the style someone else came up with you dont have to go through the effort of creating it, trial and error, this looks good but that looks better so I'll go with that instead, yada yada yada. The person who originally comes up with the style deserves more credit than the person who copies it. Someone can perfectly copy Picasso's style, it could be a masterpeice, but that doesn't make them as important to art history as Picasso was, because he was the first. If two people were to come up with very similar styles on their own that's a whole nother story, they both have equil rights to it because they both created it from scratch. It belongs to one as much as the other.

I'm not saying that someone who draws in TLK style cant be an amazing very original artist. I'm just saying as far as style goes they have no originality. They can be original and amazing in every other sector, not not style. So that part of their art IS diminished because it's just... not there.

now of course everyone's entitled to their own opinion, this is just mine.
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
(same here, lets just call it a...friendly debate |D )

But you DO need to go through trail and error when 'imitating' another style, you do need to go through the, 'this doesn't look right, doing it this way is better' stage, just because you know where you are trying to go with your style when the 'original creator' didn't, it's still the same result, and still the same amount of effort (on average). Sure there are in some ways, 'original creators' of a certain style, but that doesn't make them the more original one or the better one, they are just the person to discover the style. Other people could utilize that same style to create even more 'unique' works. Just because the style is the same it doesn't mean the overall appeal is. The so called 'copycat' could even end up being more original then the creator of the style them self, what if the original creator had works that looked like a lot of other things, but the copy cat used it in a way that hasn't been tried before, are they still less original?

Also, thought I might mention. Recently in school we were studding an artist called Roy Lichtenstein, guess what he did? he literally copied comic book art (from other artists of course, he used the exact same style). His art is worth millions now, it is featured in the Australian art gallery as we speak. He is a 'copycat', but guess what? the way he used this art was something different, and it made him really unique. He wasn't the creator of the style, but he was the one to use it like no one else did. THAT'S what made him special.
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Owl-Flight Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's not nearly the same thing to learn to draw in someone elses style as it is to create your own (create, not discover). It can begin as one thing and evolve into something totally different, something even you didn't expect. Maybe being the first to create a style doesn't make them "better" but in the sense of style it DOES make them more original because they're the "origin" of the style. They can be more original as an artist, use it in the most amazing unique ways possible, but they are not the creator of the style, they did not come up with it and it is not theirs. They may adopt it to be their own but it didn't come from them so it isn't a part of them.

a "copycat" can be the most original artist on earth, but they will never have a style because they never made it for themself. It will always belong to the person who started it. And when I say belong I dont mean they own it, I mean it is a part of them they are the creator and it has a part of who they are in it. If you dont create your style it will never have that, your art as a whole might, in your ideas, your compositions, your ideas, but not the style.
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why use the word belong if a style can't belong to someone though? You can't say a style is 'not theirs',because that's implying someone owns the style when you can't claim ownership to a style. Style belongs to neither the copycat or the creator in this situation. Sure, being the origin of a style entitles you to to have some originality, but it doesn't make the creator's art of more worth than the copycats. Both are equal in originality in my opinion anyway.

As an artist, I strive to not limit myself by style. The idea of 'having a part of who I am' in my style' is NOT what I strive for, actually that's what I try to avoid, I actually see this as a kind of limitation. Having a part of who I am in my ARTWORK is what I strive for. In all honesty, I don't want a style that is 'part of who I am'. I want the ability to utilize many different styles, weather they were created by me or not. You don't need to create your own style for your artwork to have significant meaning to who you are, and I don't believe using an already made style diminishes an artists originality. It's the piece as a whole that creates this, not the aspect of style.
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LaughingBanana Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
UGH thank you!
This one person acted like she copyrighted a COLOR
I mean she freaked out when some one's character had the same color that hers has (I mean both had purple... her's was a dragon with stripes and this other girl had a wolf with purple eye shadow)
:facepalm: dafaq
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
welcome!
wow yea, that's a bit over the top :I
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Muddmuffins Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
AMEN. Aka you should just like, be the DA officer. So many people think they can just copyright everything. 
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know groanss
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Muddmuffins Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I also hate it when people just think of something and act like no one has ever thought about it before. J.K. Rowling didn't copyright Wizarding Schools. 
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yea klsdlfdvs
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Hollymist Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I almost completely agree, except I think it's a bit far using someone else's style; influenced is fine, or just for the moment until they've found their feet, but that person has discovered that style through hours and hours of practice, and I think that should be respected. Plus I don't want to see a replica of that person, I want something new!
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
whine you do make a good point, you can't copyright a style, it seems rude to 'copy' someones style but style isn't a thing you can own, its technically just a thing you're able to do.
I could have done hours and hours of practice to master certain poses as well, I could be really good at it too, but does that mean if someone stumbles upon my stuff and draws these poses easily by using my art as refference, it's wrong? No, of course not, so why should style be any different? You can argue that style is 'unique' to the artist, but this isn't really true, I mean, how many people have you seen that can imitate the lion king style? are they in the wrong too? And while you can replicate a style, it's not the same as being a replica of that person art wise, all artists have different ideas after all ;D

Problem with saying you shouldn't copy someone else's style is that what if their style just happens to be extremely similar to yours? There is no proof that they 'stole your style', people get into fights over these kinds of things and to be honest, THAT isn't fair on the other artist. You can't just go to someone and say you're stealing my style even if they 'stole' it or not. What the hell are they supposed to do? Stop drawing the way they draw because someone else draws that way? I'm sorry but doesn't that sound kind of silly to you?
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Hollymist Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Okay yeah that's totally true actually. But I still think copying someone else's style is wrong (and annoying), while I don't think copying poses or anything like that is. I don't think anyone should actually chase after someone who draws things similarly (the renaissance era would've been a bloodbath!), but it would be nice if everyone could work on their style in the knowledge no-one's gonna come along and nick it for themselves.
But yeah I definitely agree with you!
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
the thing is, as much as a style can feel personal to someone, you cannot ever own a style. If you could, we'd be in the same situation if you could own a pose.
Thing is, sometimes people don't perposely copy styles, it just happens you know? People end up getting a lot of hate for 'stealing someone's style' when it might not  even be something they were intending to do, and then they end up getting a bunch of people hating of them for simply drawing how the hell they want to draw.
Imagine if someone came up to you and told you that you had to stop drawing in your style ( regardless if weather you 'stole' it or not ). How would you feel? You CANNOT tell someone to stop drawing how they want to draw, because that is also the wrong thing to do even if they 'stole' it. The TLK artists don't get hate like that, how come they are allowed to copy a style free of charge? Is that wrong?

Now if this person is perposely trying to copy someones style and devote theirself to being exactly like them then yes, I can see how that would be a little wrong or annoying. Half the time people end up tracing when that's the case or copying a picture as a whole when that happens, and /that/ should not be tolerated.
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Hollymist Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
mmm true! People definitely get too hissy over things they can't prove, as well! I think people feel differently about TLK because it's a published movie, but that is such a great point. You don't see Disney getting mad over all the TLK style pictures or anything.

Everything would be so much easier if people didn't purposefully steal things!


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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I find some people just very...possessive over their style? Like if people are even inspired by their art they get all angry and stuff, it seems a little silly.

Well, technically Disney can't really go and get mad at these TLK artists. I'd take way to much effort to stop them and it just wouldn't be worth it. I'm not sure how I'd work if another company started doing movies that looked like Disney's movies though. Still, TLK artists are technically copying someone else's style but hey, apparently that's okay, so why does it matter in any other instance?

It would hrghh, but it would also be a lot easier if the people who were being 'stolen from' handle the situation maturely, because half the time that's what causes drama.
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mereni Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
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Thank you! This is perfect.
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
<3
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originalspaceduck Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
Personally I don't really give a shit about what happens with my stuff after I upload it. If people want to use/copy/reference/do whatever or even sell it, go ahead. I draw things because I like it and that's also the reason why I upload them from time to time. I don't make any money off of them nor do I want to, so I just dump them out there for people to do with them whatever they want.

Btw, I pirate games and music, not even gonna lie about that, so I see it as nothing but fair to let others use my work. (Not saying that would likely happen any time soon, but still)
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awhh sweetie, I think it's important to have at least some respect for your work. It's cool that you don't mind people referencing and stuff, but if anyone is making money from your stuff its important to take action, you put time and effort into your stuff you at least deserve your dignity for doing that.

Because people think this way, people who actually sell art have a hard time because others are just used to using things for free, and its really disheartening when this happens, because artists deserve a reward for their hard works when using for commercial or commission purposes. People start saying things like, "Oh, this artist lets me use their stuff for free, you should too." Which isn't right in my oppinion |D
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originalspaceduck Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013
Lawl sure.
If people put effort into making something they intend to sell, they should have the right to sell it.

I mainly see what I make as the software it is though; Something that, once done, is just a long string of numbers which can easily be copied a billion times unlike 'material' artwork. That, together with the fact that I just draw for fun without any form of profit in mind is enough reason for me to just let others use it. It's not like I do anything with my work anyways once it's finished. Same goes for my other hobbies; If someone I know has a problem with his/her computer, I'll just take a look at it and only ask for money if something has to be replaced. And even then just the price of the part itself. 
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
well, I guess you do have a point with the software thing.
But even if you do just draw for fun, It's still important to have a sense of dignity with your work, it's fine to let other people use it and stuff, but you know, if they are making profit from it or something like that, its good to try and stop that, because while you might not mind, it might give the other person the idea that it is okay when it isn't |D
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originalspaceduck Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013
True. It's absolutely not cool if someone tries to make money of someone else's work. The fact that I don't mind doesn't mean others shouldn't either, but what can you do? There'll always be assholes who want to make profit without doing any work unfortunately...
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
yea, its true, there always is that person
but you know, that artist can always stand up and say no. And I think doing that is important, people need to know what they can and can't use.
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Riversun Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, I definitely am with you on this one.  I think a lot of peole go way too far, and are way too sensitive with this so-called "theft."  I believe that tracing exactly is also theft though--if it's ovious that someone traced a work exactly, even if they filled in their own colors around it, it's dishonerable because they claim that the entire picture is their own doing.  

I also wanted to ask your opinion on something.  I totally agree with the fact that if someone takes a picture that is not their own and sells it for money, or passes it off as their own, it is theft because they're getting some personal benefit from it.  Whether it is the money itself, even if they claim the picture is not their own, they have to get permission of the artist who made the original work.  Passing art off as your own I think is the worst kind of art theft--even though there's no monetary gain from it, to convince all of your watchers and everyone who sees you that you're suddenly good at drawing just sort of sickens me.  That's really the only art theft that I call someone out on, and I've done it a few times.  

But when I personally think artists are too sensitive is when they don't want their art anywhere else on the internet EVER besides DA.  I knew someone once who threatened to sue people for showing a wolf support facebook group they were in one of her pictures by posting it to the group's page.  The person didn't claim that it was their own, they just shared the picture.  When people post the pictures on blog posts and non-art-based roleplay groups, I think that's sort of alright, too.  Like obviously if you put a picture on the internet, on a site like DA, it's going to spread.  But as long as people don't use it for their own and don't gain any material wealth from it, I'm wondering what's the big deal?
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ahh yes how I love the long comments from my good buddy Riversun hehe

Yes tracing is theft, but I only believe it to be theft if it is done to a certain degree. I trace small parts of stock images to get the general shape of things sometimes for my sketches, but that's the only tracing I do, and when it's done like that I don't believe there is too much problem. Tracing someone else's art completely and then filling it in with your own stuff is steal so yes, I agree with you there.

Oh gosh yes, if it's something that's worse than general stealing, its things like that. I've heard a lot about these things happening at conversions and stuff where people sell mugs and other merchandise that feature stolen art work and it is complete sick. I didn't include it in this journal since this was more focused on dA, and in general, I haven't seen this happening too much on here except for with adopts ( which is still wrong of course), but yea, I saw this as more of an outside dA issue but that doesn't mean it still isn't a big issue.

Yes artists like that hrghh. Thing is, art DOES get shared no matter what you do. The best thing to do is watermark stuff if you're worried, that way people can't steal without someone knowing. It's why I try to watermark most of my stuff even though I've never had art theft problems before. Can never be too safe yea? People do need to calm down about art though sometimes, that's literally the reason why I made this journal |D
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Riversun Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aw yee, long comments for the win!

Yes I totally agree with you about the tracing.  Tracing for sketches, like making the circles and lines and even some of the tougher shapes, is good to use when referencing for size and so on.  Tracing and using that as the entire lineart is when I think tracing goes too far. 

I have seen many DA artists claim their stuff has been stolen and put on merchandice though.  A LOT of artists, actually.  Some of the people I watch have like a super radar for these things though, and put journals out if they suspect there's theft in something hat they've found.  Even though they're from sites outside of DA, the original artwork IS on DA.  So I guess it's kind of a Da issue?

UGH I totally agree with you there.  Even when art is watermarked, they get mad if anyone uses it for ANYTHING, even showing the art in other places.  Personally, I feel like I'd be flattered if someone shared my art on facebook.  It means it was good enough to share.
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh my gosh really? Gee, I didn't know this happened so often on dA, I've never seen it but I have heard of it. That really needs to be stopped, I feel so so sorry for all those artists that have to go to such great lengths just so their stuff doesn't get used for profit without their permission. I think that rules regarding that kind of stuff need to be more strict? Like, if you go to a convention and sell that kind of stuff, you'd have to prove that you have the artist's permission or that you made it yourself? I don't know what the answer is, I just wish we could limit it from happening OTL

Yea! Surprisingly enough, my art is apparently on some weird warriors website. I've seen quite a bit of it there, but the art is all watermarked so its all good. It was commissioned stuff too so it's not people using my characters for things, I'm pretty sure it was just the commissioner that put the art up.
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Riversun Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah totally!  Like just the other day, there was someone who but artworks on necklaces and rings and stuff and was selling them.  One artist I'm watching put up a journal to spread the news, since she recognized some of the pieces even though they weren't her own.  And the person was selling them and people were like BUYING them.  It's sad D: but if the artist IS aware of it, they can get them to take it down, even if they have to go through like... legal measures. As long as you have that "creative commons" copyright thing checked on DA.

haha I always used to use pictures for my characters on my weird warriors sites, back in like middle school when I didn't know how to draw yet.  Now I feel strangely guilty about it. But they were usually just pics of actual cats, not other peoples' art.
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ahh yea that sucks! D:
Its good that people help other people to find out about these things though, even if it takes a bit of effort, if you find these people you can get the stuff taken down.

Oh really? XD
I never used to do that, I think a lot of people used to use just photographs of cats back in the day, I guess there isn't really anything wrong with it haha.
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Seasonally Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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SevenZee Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
While I agree, it does tick me off a bit when people reference my art for poses, and I KNOW they do. Like, it's obviously not a coincidence. I'm VERY picky and bitchy over it and I don't like any part of my work being copied/stolen/traced/referenced/whatever. ^^;

Now, if it's a coincidence and I have no proof that that person's ever even seen my art before, I dont give two shits xD

Iunno, there's a word I'm looking for but I can't seem to find it xD
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I guess that is true, but in all honesty, what can you do? I mean, I've referenced poses and stuff before without even knowing, sometimes it might be a coincidence, sometimes its not, either way the same still applies even if it does tick you off.

Maybe you should ask if you see anything like that again? Don't seem mad at them, just tell the person that if they did heavily reference that you'd prefer it if they didn't. If it's traced/ copied its usually pretty obvious. You can figure that stuff out by looking through the rest of their gallery.
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SevenZee Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I have began asking them nicely if I see it. However, one time that backfired and before she even responded to my note she FLIPPED BALLS and made a journal to sic her watchers on me >_> it was.. pretty weird. And this was someone who was KNOWN for actually tracing over artwork. Other than that though, it does seem to have helped
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
well you know, the reason people flip their shit in these kind of situations is because of how crazy dA is with art theft.
If people just calmly told other people that they were doing something wrong instead of screeching "ART STEALERR!!1!" all the time, maybe this would happen less |D
Not saying it did happen in your situation, but yea I figure that's why people go ballistic with these things.

I have seen artists around like that, they really do need to calm down and just fix the problem maturely ;D
Its why I try to be calm and nice when talking to 'art thieves', sometimes they are just confused and it can be overwhelming with people screeching at you left right and center.
It's good that you noted them though, even if they did go cray cray, I'm assuming the problem was fixed?
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SevenZee Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I guess so xD but thats the thing.. nobody did that.. I noted them and they went ballistic.

Alas, no.. the problem was never fixed. The stolen art was never removed [the stuff she actually STOLE, not when she reffed my pose xD but thats still there too.] and as far as I know she could still be stealing to this day -shrug-

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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
maybe not, but it happens elsewhere and the might be aware of that.

Oh really? Was she reported or anything? Usually these people get banned pretty quickly or they take the stuff down from my experience.
That sucks :/
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SevenZee Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Yep, I reported, and DA said it was different enough that they wouldnt do anything. Thats another thing, people KNOW if they change an image enough, DA wont do shit. And they take advantage of it.

I also reported her for the DIRECTLY traced images, and they wouldnt do anything unless the original artist reported. Which she never did cause she "didnt wanna make a fuss" but she was hurt by it.
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
that really sucks :/
I mean yea, technically that's allowed art wise, but I don't know, in this case it seems they only do it to piss people off, not because they want to make art which I certainly don't agree with.

And I guess the original artist's judgement is most important too, because it is THEIR art after all, what they say goes. Still an icky situation however, people really need to learn some respect.
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Giiana Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Zaabu Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Student Filmographer
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AkaPanuka Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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